Trades Can’t Fix Tigers’ Ails

by 2010 Season

This is what happens when I take a weekend off, huh? I’m not here to re-hash the injuries that seemingly have sabotaged the season for the Detroit Tigers, there’s not much value in that I don’t guess. Plus it’s just depressing.

I was in attendance at the CoPa on Sunday (my wife and I took our just-turned-four-year-old to his first game. He wasn’t at all into it. I guess we’ll try again in a few years) and a few things stood out to me. For starters, the season ticket holders in section 104, rows K-L, are some very knowledgeable folks and made an otherwise difficult game much more interesting to watch.

At one point in that afternoon game it dawned on me that of the nine players on the field, no fewer than six of them had been playing for Toledo at some point this year. Galarraga was pitching, Larish, Worth, Sizemore, Raburn, and Boesch all have been Mudhens this year. UGH. (more after the jump)

Point number two: I get it that Johnny Damon was sick, too sick to play in game one. Yet he was used to pinch hit in the ninth? As soon as he was announced, the crowd (and I) began wondering aloud where the hell he was when Sizemore came up with the sacks drunk and one out in the eighth. Too sick then but feeling better in the ninth? By that time the game was over. Damon’s professional at bats would have come in handy over Sizemore’s flailings when the game was tied.

The kids fought hard and Miguel Cabrera is certainly showing that he is an MVP, but this team just doesn’t have enough major league talent to withstand the rigors of a month or more without Magglio Ordonez and Brandon Inge, let alone two weeks without those two or Carlos Guillen.

That’s not to say that the next several weeks won’t be interesting, I’m sure they will, but I think the smart way to watch them is without concentrating on the team’s record, ‘cuz it likely won’t be pretty.

Dave Dombrowski says he’s not looking for “rental players”, and he shouldn’t be. Guys like Mike Lowell and Adam Dunn could help keep you afloat until the big guns get back for Detroit, but then what? Even if the Tigers traded for both players, what happens when Maggs and Inge come back? Dunn can only play 1B and OF and those spots are full with Cabrera, Damon, AJax, and Boesch, plus Maggs. Lowell plays 1B and 3B, again fine in the very short term, but when Inge is back, Lowell becomes a pinch-hitter only.

That means you just traded away several prospects and added to the payroll to cover six weeks of games in the middle of the season. It’s just not worth the price.

So instead of being major players at the deadline, Detroit fans will likely see next Saturday pass without much (if any) movement by the Tigers, there’s no sense in adding at this point. Adding a piece or two simply to patch a hole that can be patched from within isn’t the prudent thing to do. This team will have to fight on without most of the heart of their order, that’s just the way these things happen sometimes.

That being said, I’d still like them to make a run at adding a shortstop. Stephen Drew would be a long-term solution there. The position will be high on the offseason shopping list, no reason not to start early if they can get him now. I would also be in favor of any trade that added long-term value to the club, but don’t trade for a guy to plug a hole when the rest of the ship has so many leaks this year. If a hole is to be plugged, lets make sure that player will be around to fill the same hole next season as well.

The silver lining in the injury situations is that some young guys are going to get a chance to show what they can do while playing in a pennant race, at least for a few weeks until the Tigers fall out of contention. The schedule upcoming is brutal and the Tigers have a roster full of inexperienced talent. But there is talent. The next few weeks will shed some light on just how much.

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I made similar observations about the Tigers. However, I am going a step farther. Remove Leyland as the manager. What other manager in the majors would have survived after blowing a three game lead with only four games left (09 season). He continues to "over manage" the Tigers out of contention. Why is Detroit so in love with him?

I reject the idea that Leyland's managerial abilities lost the division for the Tigers last year. Here's the scores of the final three loses (of the regular season): 8-3, 8-0, 5-1. Managers don't lose those types of games, players do.

Who would you suggest should replace him, and what evidence do you have that the replacement would be more successful?

Good news on the Mike Lowell front: mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that the Tigers are "losing interest" in the third baseman.

That's very good news. The last thing the Tigers need is an over the hill third baseman with one foot in his baseball grave.

I saw a few headlines blaring "Tigers are very interested in Adam Dunn" the last few days. As he's not a big difference maker in regards to the Tigers reaching the post season, and he's going to be a free agent at the end of the year, they should hold off doing anything with him until the season's over. If they're really that interested, they can make him an offer then. I sure wouldn't give up anything for him now. As he has limited defensive capabilities, I view him as a minor upgrade. Lynn Henning was very high on the idea of the Tigers acquiring Dunn several years ago. I didn't understand Dunn's appeal then, and I still don't now.

It may be that Dombrowski has no intention of acquiring Dunn, but would like to feign interest so the Nats set a price tag too high for the White Sox.

The only trades the Tigers can realistically profit from at this point, are trades that exchange prospects for young major-league players. They can't give up future wins for wins today, when there are so many holes to fill and such long odds. In other words, maybe the Tigers can use their willingness to pay salaries to get guys with the same ceilings as the guys they give up. I would personally be in favor of a deal that brought both Stephen Drew and Mark Reynolds to Detroit, at a price that shouldn't require top-tier talent. These are both arbitration eligible guys who have worn out their welcome by failing to make the strides expected. But, I don't see anyone waiting in Toledo or Erie to take third or short next year, and a surplus of guys waiting to play the corners or DH. Might they bite on a package of Wells, Ramirez and Rainwater?

I see what you're doing there Chris, and I like it. I think you're dead-on with the idea of getting the likes of Drew and Reynolds, but I'd guess you're going to have to toss in another arm to make it happen. I'm not sure Galarraga would be good enough to swing that deal with those you mentioned, but maybe. Arizona seems to be ripe for these kinds of deals considering what they got for Haren and it's those type of guys the Tigers should be targeting. If they could get both, they could DH Reynolds if they decided to bring back Inge next year.

Chris, your approach is what I have advocated all along. Any move they might make this year has to make the team better for the next 3-4 years as well. I'm not generally one for debating specific theoretical deals but I have to wonder how Tigers fans, even the Inge haters, would react to watching Mark Reynolds bat over the course of a season. His power is undeniable but I'm not sure Detroiters have the patience for his strike outs and low AVG.

Inge has been sporting a low average and high strikeouts for years and Tiger fans love him. In fact if you add Inge's pop-ups to his strikeouts the numbers would be similar to Reynolds I'd bet. Reynolds will launch a few dingers into the seats behind the bullpens and it won't take long to embrace him at all.

I can still see trading for a guy like Dunn. True, it would cause a traffic jam when Maggs comes back, but his Type A free agent status could make it worth it (assuming the price is right in the trade). You'd either end up extending Dunn's contract, getting him for at least one more year if he accepted arbitration, or getting a first round pick plus a first round compensation pick if he declined arbitration (this could make up for the lost prospects).

Look at it from a worst-case standpoint. Say you get Dunn and offer him arb, say he accepts. Now you have Dunn or Boesch that must play the OF, neither is good defensively, but Dunn is terrible so he DH's. Not only do you have a $12-15 million DH, but your RF is not great either. Not only that but if they get Dunn this year you have to play Damon everyday in LF with Boesch in RF, so you have two below average Outfielders along side AJax. Yes, Dunn's bat would help, but the Tigers already have two healthy DHs, at some point the defense has to be accounted for as well. And when Maggs comes back, you have to either sit Boesch or sit a guy making anywhere from $8-18 million on the pine. I don't see the upside at all.

I wish there was a place for Dunn but I agree that there doesn't appear to be. There is no way he should ever again be put in the OF and Cabrera has a lock on 1B. The only way it would make sense is if he accepts a full time DH role.

Brennan Boesch needs to learn the outfield anyway so I don't have a problem running him out there. Damon isn't a great option but I think he can still get it done for a short stretch. As far as Magglio's return goes, we're only talking about the last 2-4 weeks of the season. If they are out of it by then it won't matter anyway and if they are in it then his return means the Tigers have a good problem on their hands.

Landing Dunn may not be the prudent move but it would be a bold move. In general, I think the Tiger just need to play the season out and focus on next year.

I don't think Damon's defense in LF is all that bad. Since 2007 he's played 2265 innings there with a 3.5 UZR/150. He's certainly good enough to be an everyday outfielder.

As far as the money issues are concerned, that's Mr. I's deal. If he approves a big budget, it's no skin off my nose.

Of course, the asking price will have to come down considerably, but I still say go for it. I doubt he accepts arbitration.

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