What Would it take to part with Turner and Castellanos?

Nick Castellanos is a big deal to the Tigers.  If you’ve noticed, Detroit has shown a willingness to move the highly touted Jacob Turner, but including the 20-year-old third baseman in a deal is an idea our front office has essentially laughed at.  With Brandon Inge in the twilight of his career, and Nick’s expected arrival to the bigs sometime around 2014, it would take a special scenario for the Tigers to part with both of their top prospects.

Castellanos has impressed all sorts of prospect buffs with his abilities standing in the batters box.  Our own James Chipman has deemed Nick’s swing “effortless”, and during an episode of the Up and In podcast over at Baseball Prospectus, Kevin Goldstein said Castellanos had the prettiest swing out of any player in the Midwest League.  Combining these types of accolades with the fact that third base is an area of need for the Tigers, it makes sense Detroit’s front office would be extremely hesitant to move this type of player.

If the Tigers had no interest in moving Turner and Castellanos for Gio Gonzalez which was the rumor a couple weeks ago, what type of player would warrant such a trade package?  Obviously, it would have to involve a high impact player, preferably at a position of need.

Due to their payroll constraints, the Rays’ roster is in a constant state of flux regardless of whether they’re in contention or not.  One of their starting pitchers is starting to get expensive, and his name is James Shields.  He will be making $7 million in 2012 and has team options for 2013 and 14’.  Now the Rays would most likely be looking for offense in return, but they would have to consider Turner’s services due to the wealth of potential he carries along with the cheaper price tag.

Obviously the Rays are set at third.  Evan Longoria has that spot on lock down, which might dampen their desires for Mr. Castellanos.  But some say Nick’s glove might ultimately be best suited in a corner outfield spot, meaning he could possibly move into Matt Joyce’s spot somewhere down the line.  The Rays have also been talking about moving B.J. Upton the past couple of years, in which case Desmond Jennings could move to center and Castellanos could play left.

In order to land James Shields, it would take a little bit more than just Turner and Nick, but that would definitely be a good place to start.

Recently, the Atlanta Braves presented an offer of Jair Jurrjens and Martin Prado to the Orioles for their center fielder Adam Jones.   The O’s GM Dan Duquette turned it down, but come July of this coming season that might be the type offer he has to strongly consider.

I would give heavy consideration to bringing in Jones for Turner and Nick.  If you were to put his glove in one of the corner outfield spots all of the sudden the defense has a completely different dynamic.  The O’s would have a hard time turning down a talent like Turner, and one would have to assume Mark Reynolds or anyone else on that roster isn’t a long time solution for third base.  Aside from being skilled with the glove, there’s some nice pop in his bat, as Jones raked 25 homers last year.

Even though we kind of chuckled at the fact the Tigers were thrown into the recent addition of Matt Garza rumors, there is some sense to it.  I think it would be worth it to see if our two top prospects put us in the running for Garza.  The addition of the Cubs’ starter to a rotation that already features Verlander, Fister and Scherzer sounds like the makings of a truly dominant staff.

One way or another the Tigers would be wise to bulk up the roster before the 2012 season begins.  Detroit might feel like they are looking good staying pat, and it is kind of tough to blame them since the AL Central is one of the weaker divisions in baseball.

But consider for a second what the Texas Rangers just did.  Despite being the team that represented the AL in the World Series the last two years, they just doled out $51.7 million dollars just to negotiate a deal with Yu Darvish.  I think most teams would argue, you can’t stay pat if you want to find continued success in this league.


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  • MCBjohnverburg

    I think it would take a very good player. I like Adam Jones, but I don’t know if he would be it.

    • mickey_baseball

      @MCBjohnverburg So, I guess that means you would be ok with Garza or Shields? There were a bunch of other names I considered: Pineda, Hammels, Weeks, Neil Walker, Peter Bourjos. These 3 names seemed like somewhat realistic possibilities to me though. Jones would be a tough call.

      • MCBjohnverburg

        @mickey_baseball Yeah, I probably would. Might be with Weeks and Hamels as well. I think Pineda has a bright future, but not sold on him yet. I think the Mariners should turn him into some young offense. Mariners have Hultzen and Paxton not too far away. If I were the Mariners I would hit the Royals up for Billy Butler or something.

        • sportz

          @MCBjohnverburg @mickey_baseball

          I think Pineda wll be one of the 5 best RH in the AL in 2012.

        • MCBjohnverburg

          @sportz@MCBjohnverburg@mickey_baseballCould be. Tremendous arm, and the good command to go with it. Something about his delivery bothers me though. I would have to study it, but just doesn’t seem fluid.

  • jgorosh

    not adam jones. I wouldn’t give up either for him.

  • sportz

    Context..it matters where you are and what existing assets you have, when considering deals.

    Managing assets is the most difficult aspect of being a good GM..to criticize Dombrowski for standing pat is laughable..

    The Tigers made their best offseason deal last July in acquiring Fister for spare parts..

    People may celebrate the fact they held onto Castellanos next June..with how valuable young proven starting pitching has become as a trade asset, remember the Tigers have Porcello, Scherzer and Fister..I wonder what they can get for them next offseason after Smyly and Turner develop a little more and are ready to replace one of them..hmm..

    • MCBjohnverburg

      @sportz I would imagine that at least one of them goes. They won’t be able to afford them all as time goes on. One thing to consider though, the longer you wait to deal one, the less attractive they are as their clock continues to click towards free agency.

      • sportz


        JV..it hasn’t seemed to hurt the value of Matt Garza ..

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    The Braves didn’t offer Jurrjens and Prado for Jones. The Orioles said they would trade Jones to Atlanta for Prado, Jurrjens, and another starting pitching prospect. You can see why no deal happened…

    • MCBjohnverburg

      The Braves are being ridiculous. Not necessarily in the Jones case, but with all that pitching, they can’t get themselves a CF? If I was a Braves fan, I would be worried about what the front office is doing. Washington, Philly, and Miami are working on getting better. The Braves are just watching.


    Castellanos is 19 not 20. -just sayin’

  • ChrisHannum

    I wouldn’t trade those two for any kind of a starting pitcher under any circumstances. Not only would the player in return have to be very good, he would have to be one of the top players (and a youngish one) at a position of need and a position of scarcity.